This pretty much sums up my feelings on fundies. You can do whatever you want with your religion, as long as you don't bother the rest of us!
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4. We must pledge to overhaul the schools we are paying for. Let’s start sending our children to Christian schools, conservative charter schools, or begin home schooling them, while we simultaneously evict our local NEA-backed public school boards and replace them with smart soccer moms and dads who have true family values.This shows me two things. #1, that Linda Harvey thinks what's going on in public schools is far, far worse than it really is, and #2, that she doesn't understand or accept that some people may actually SUPPORT their kids learning things she disagrees with. I could just as easily write a piece detailing why we need to pull our kids out of the fundie Jesus-preachin', anti-evolution public schools in rural Louisiana and start sending them to schools run by people with REAL values, like Richard Dawkins.
Let’s get the radicals out of our taxpayer- funded classrooms...See? Linda and I found something we agree on! Now, just what is a "radical?"
and refuse to vote for one more levy guaranteeing the same old anti-Christian, socialist, Darwinist, hyper-sexualized, and phony “green” school curricula.Linda, have you ever set foot in a public school? Do you have any idea what you're talking about, or are you just making shit up to get angry about?
3. As responsible stewards, we must continue to demand that U.S. Department of Education ‘safe schools’ czar Kevin Jennings be fired for his lack of experience plus his known radical, sexually corrupt ideology.You can "demand" all you want, but it's not your call. Were you equally as peeved about Harriet Miers being nominated to the Supreme Court despite being woefully underqualified? No, I suspect not.
You're never going to find it if you willfully ignore it.Let’s also eject Obama’s Chicago crony, DOE Secretary Arne Duncan, and all public officials whose track records attest to “poor education as usual” policies. Where’s the commitment to genuine child safety?
Let’s make plans to fire Barack Obama at least by 2012, too, while we are at it, before he does any more damage to the next generation.And that damage would be...?
2. Get all pro-homosexual and pro-promiscuity programs, literature, teachers, and counselors out of every school now.Well, I'm sure all the gay students--who will still be gay even in spite of your best efforts--would really appreciate that; you taking away their entire support system because you have some emotion-based, unsupported belief that it's doing more harm than good. Well, except for that part pro-promiscuity programs. Nobody would miss those, and nobody will notice when they're gone, because they don't exist in the first place.
Remove “gay” clubs, Planned Parenthood at health fairs, and GLSEN- PFLAG- SIECUS activists."Remove" them? Whoa, this is starting to sound a bit Mafioso, Linda. Are you on a terrorist watch list yet?
Cease all condom demonstrations, abortion referrals, on-site birth control dispensing, sexual orientation affirmation, and messing with children’s hearts, minds and bodies.Yeah, really, schools. Stop giving your students age-appropriate advice about services that are perfectly legal and often medically or psychologically necessary. Linda Harvey doesn't like it.
Demand that schools uphold the traditional value of heterosexual identities...Whether they're scientifically accurate or not.
Yay, unconstitutional religious education! That'll fix all your problems!...teach abstinence- until- marriage...
...and celebrate male/ female gender differences.That's the worst one yet. I mean, even assuming Gender Identity Disorder really was all made up (like the fundies want us to think), what is the benefit of reaffirming rigid, pointless, outdated gender roles?
And all other religions be damned! How we're supposed to do this is anybody's guess, but pissing all over the Constitution would apparently be a good start.1. Allow—no, welcome-- Christianity back into the American public square...in schools, in community groups, in city council meetings, in the Senate, on city streets, in the courthouse square, in the media, in college lectures.
Laugh at the ACLU.You fundies do that already, and yet, they still stand for the Constitution and they still keep winning cases. And in fact, the ACLU supports Christians when those Christians are legally right.
Elect judges who don't like the First Amendment too? Wow, I just had a vision of Linda Harvey-land, and it made me shudder.Elect judges who agree.
Oh, haha. Subtle slap at Obama. For the record his actual quote was:Don’t elect presidents who think we are no longer a Christian nation.
Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation – at least, not just. We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, and a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.But I think we've long established that Linda Harvey lives a life unencumbered by such things as "facts" and "reality."
Let’s refuse to leave our children an inheritance of American rubble. Instead, let our New Year’s resolution and fervent prayer be to give our children an America that is the best it can be.Well, I think we're all doing that, Linda. It's just that some of us disagree on exactly what that entails.
10. Let’s teach our children to refrain from honoring oppressive, liberty-denying practices and beliefs.Like the fundie agenda? Yeah, you wish that's where she was going.
Children should be civil to all, but refuse to be manipulated into “respecting” Islam, praying to Allah, etc., no matter how many points it counts on the social studies/diversity unit testSo let me get this straight: Linda is afraid of liberals "taking away the freedom" of our children to act like dicks to Muslims? So, can we be nice to Buddhists, Jainists, Sikhs, Hindus, Zoroastrians, and Shintoists, or do we have to be civilly disrespectful to them too?
They should urge every girl they know wearing a hijab to remove it and no longer submit to a system of subtle bondage.Like, well, that.
They should share the Gospel of Jesus Christ deliberately with every Muslim they know— and make sure these lost kids know that Christians believe in a loving God who gives us free will.Muslim women HAVE free will, numbnuts. The fact that they choose to exercise it in a different manner than you do A) does not automatically make them wrong and B) is none of your fucking business.
9. Our homes should be safe havens. That means no carbon monitors...What? No "carbon monitors?" What are "carbon monitors?" You mean carbon monoxide detectors? That's asinine, Linda, even for a fundie. Why would you not want to know if there are dangerous levels of poisonous gas in your house?
...parenting or end-of-life counselors under ObamaCare...Linda Harvey prefers that dying people not have the completely optional choice to discuss end-of-life issues with a qualified professional.
...home school checks...Yep! I should be allowed to teach my kid anything I want, or nothing at all, for their entire lives! Cuz God knows, every decision a parent makes is the right one!
...or community organizers.Oh shut up, you moron. You obviously don't even know what a community organizer is. (Nor do you seem to know what "freedom" is, considering you want to eliminate other people's livelihoods based on the fact that, in your uninformed opinion, you don't like them.)
We should be able to hear truly free speech and porn-free programming on radio and TV stations...How can something be "truly free" and at the same time, restricted? Based on its content?
...and neither we nor our children should ever be tempted to have our mortgages paid for us through government hand-outs.So, Linda, when you're out of work because the economy goes south (or no one is interested in supporting your lunatic rantings), you can just curl up and starve to death. I'm sure you'll be pleased to do it, too.
8. Our kids should not have to face the limited options and reduced quality of life in a once-great country burdened with crushing debt. They should not have to face fifty percent or higher taxes, few employment options, and life in a corrupt and increasingly vulnerable nation.Oh, okay, Linda. Why don't you outline YOUR economic stimulus plan, since you seem to know how to run things so well. Remember, the last two required the bipartisan efforts of hundreds of lawmakers and thousands of research assistants, sworn testimony by experts in economics, finance professionals, and budget officers from every department, all of whom worked early in the morning until late into the night, and they came together only after months of dedicated cooperation between both houses and the Executive branch.
Let’s hold elected officials responsible for reckless spending, pay-offs and pork, by removing them from power at the earliest opportunity.I love this argument. It's possibly the most ignorant, shortsighted, wrongheaded, and just plain stupid political statement you can make. It's become a rallying cry for the Right, because it's code for "vote out the liberals." Why we need code, I have no idea, but the Left never argues for voting every member out. Probably because it's an asinine strategy.
7. Children should not be endangered personally by sexually transmitted diseases allowed to rage unchecked through our under-30 population because of political correctness. They should no longer be told the outright lies that life-threatening and/or debilitating infections can be managed through either latex or life-long, expensive drug therapy."Outright lies?" So, then HAART treatments don't reduce the effects of HIV? Condoms don't protect against STI transmission? If Linda can state with such vehemence that these medical axioms are "lies" then it should be easy to provide legitimate, unbiased citations to back her up.
Let’s not leave them with rampant infertility due to “everyone’s” reproductive damage. We need to establish a public health system that deals with reality.What would you know about reality? You don't seem to spend much time there.
6. Intrusive, low- quality and high- cost health care delivery should not be the legacy we leave our children. We should recognize that America has the greatest health care system in the world, that it truly needs little reform, except to recapture personal responsibility for both cost and options.America has the greatest health care system in the world! And I know this because I live here! Oh, sure, I haven't studied the subject in depth, but I know that America is God's chosen land, and if it's in America, it's great! Facts? Data? Expert analysis? Who needs that crap? I have jingoism and that's good enough for me!
Let’s refuse to put Washington, DC in charge of your son’s and daughter’s physical well-being.Yeah, last I heard, there was no provision in the health care bill for sending sick or injured people to politicians. I'm pretty sure doctors would still be handling medical care, as the bill only covers who will be paying for what.
5. Let’s give our children some true leadership choices. Let’s leave them examples like Sarah Palin, Jim DeMint, Mike Pence. Let’s stop propping up a failed and compromised GOP, and let’s make sure the Democratic/Socialist party fades into oblivion.Yeah, we'd be way better with Sarah Palin, you betcha! I like Jim DeMint, too, for whenever I need a crucial appointment stalled so that bad things happen that we can blame on Obama.
"We can go after 80-year-old men and women getting on a plane. But the reality is that you look at the profile of what terrorists have looked like, where they come from and so on and it just makes sense to use that along with other things."Yes, Dov, let's look at the profile, shall we? Here's one created by psychologist Dr. Mark Sageman. My comments, interspersed, come from this newspaper article and his wiki page.
90 per cent came from a relatively stable, secure background.Mutallab had that, but he left and eventually stopped speaking to them.
Three quarters were from middle-class or upper-class families, two thirds went to college and two thirds were professionals or semi-professionals, often engineers, physicians, architects or scientists.He did come from a wealthy family, and he did graduate from college. However, he dropped out of his MBA program and never worked as a professional anything. (For those of you keeping score, thus far, the profile of a terrorist could include me and possibly you!)
The average age for making an active commitment to violent jihad was 26.D'oh! Our boy is 23. I know it's only a few years, but it's off. Also the "age for making an active commitment" is probably a few years before a guy would be sent on an actual attack, so it could be a little wider than 3.
[T]hree quarters of the terrorists were married, most of them with children.Not at all. Mutallab had no interest in women. He never got married or had kids.
“Because they were the best and brightest, they were sent abroad to study. They came from moderately religious, caring, middle-class families. They spoke three, four, five, six languages."This part is more or less true, if broad. Mutallab probably spoke one or two Nigerian dialects, English, and Arabic that he learned when he spent time in Yemen and Dubai.
Unlike the lone serial killer, these men functioned well in groups. Indeed they depended, isolated as they were in a foreign country, on a close circle of friends who reinforced and legitimised their beliefs.None of that fits our guy at all. Though he's not socially inept, he's mostly a loner who spent his free time praying and creeping out everyone around him. He couldn't find many people who shared his radical views.
So, no mention of anyone from Nigeria, or Black Africans (which is what racial profiling would be based on!). Group 2 is transplants into Britain, which Mutallab is, but he was brought there by his parents, who had business interests. Dr. Sageman is talking about people who self-transplanted, and would be a lot older than the Mutallab.“When you look at the global Salafi jihad, you have three waves. The first were the companions of bin Laden, the characters in Afghanistan in the 1980s,” [Dr. Mark Sageman] said. “The second, on whom my 2003 research was based, were the best and the brightest from the Middle East. Those are the guys who became radicalised in the West. Many of them are engineers and physicians."
“And the third are what people call the home-grown, these are the guys who are second or third generation in the West, and they are less well-educated. Their average age is about 19 or 20, and there are more criminal elements there.”
Both groups, however, typically experience a sense of dislocation from the society in which they live and work. Clive Walker, a terrorism specialist and Professor of Criminal Justice at Leeds University, says that Mohammad Sidique Khan and his three companions shared a form of “social anomie.”I'll give that one half points. That describes Mutallab, but it's tough to tell if his father rejected him or if he was just crazy enough to reject his father.
“It’s a kind of in-between state, a symptom of rejection in many ways. They feel rejected, but equally they reject the available cultures, both of their fathers and of the society they find themselves in,” he said.
